There are also ethical as well as serious knowledge concerns to do with the break-up of traditional communities, economies and life-styles, and the perhaps permanent loss of practical grounded wisdom that even now may depend on memory and ‘indigenous folk ways’ rather than written manuals and courses. Will the new interest in food miles, organic non-chemicalised food and health, and the economics of factory vs small mixed-production farms be channelled into the kind of localism that permeates much of the work of PASCAL and, we may predict, dialogue through OTB?